ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2017

ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2017


17. 08. 2017 - 20. 08. 2017

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Kategooria nimekiri: ABSOLUT
LK 16 - Freisen 2
LK pikkus: 14.78km
koht Nr Juht / Kaardilugeja
Auto		 Grupp LK aeg Keskmine kiirus
kaotus sek/km		 Vahe liidriga
Vahe eelnevaga
1 1
FRA 		Ogier S. / Ingrassia J.
Ford Fiesta WRC		 RC1 00:08:44.8 101.39
0.00		 00:00:00.0
00:00:00.0
2 10
FIN 		Latvala J. / Anttila Miikka
Toyota Yaris WRC		 RC1 00:08:45.2 101.31
0.03		 00:00:00.4
00:00:00.4
3 9
NOR 		Mikkelsen A. / Jæger Anders
Citroën C3 WRC		 RC1 00:08:45.5 101.25
0.05		 00:00:00.7
00:00:00.3
4 2
EST 		Tänak Ott / Järveoja M.
Ford Fiesta WRC		 RC1 00:08:45.9 101.18
0.07		 00:00:01.1
00:00:00.4
5 4
NZL 		Paddon Hayden / Marshall S.
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC		 RC1 00:08:46.5 101.06
0.12		 00:00:01.7
00:00:00.6
6 8
IRL 		Breen Craig / Martin Scott
Citroën C3 WRC		 RC1 00:08:47.1 100.94
0.16		 00:00:02.3
00:00:00.6
7 6
ESP 		Sordo Dani / Martí Marc
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC		 RC1 00:08:49.2 100.54
0.30		 00:00:04.4
00:00:02.1
8 12
FIN 		Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne
Toyota Yaris WRC		 RC1 00:08:51.4 100.13
0.45		 00:00:06.6
00:00:02.2
9 3
GBR 		Evans Elfyn / Barritt Daniel
Ford Fiesta WRC		 RC1 00:08:51.8 100.05
0.47		 00:00:07.0
00:00:00.4
10 11
FIN 		Hänninen Juho / Lindström Kaj
Toyota Yaris WRC		 RC1 00:08:57.7 98.95
0.87		 00:00:12.9
00:00:05.9
11 14
DEU 		Kremer Armin / Winklhofer P.
Ford Fiesta WRC		 RC1 00:09:11.3 96.51
1.79		 00:00:26.5
00:00:13.6
12 34
CZE 		Kopecký Jan / Dresler Pavel
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:09:15.8 95.73
2.10		 00:00:31.0
00:00:04.5
13 33
FRA 		Camilli Eric / Veillas B.
Ford Fiesta R5		 RC2 00:09:18.4 95.29
2.27		 00:00:33.6
00:00:02.6
14 32
FIN 		Suninen Teemu / Markkula Mikko
Ford Fiesta R5		 RC2 00:09:21.0 94.84
2.45		 00:00:36.2
00:00:02.6
15 31
SWE 		Tidemand Pontus / Andersson Jonas
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:09:21.5 94.76
2.48		 00:00:36.7
00:00:00.5
16 42
FRA 		Loubet P. / Landais Vincent
Ford Fiesta R5		 RC2 00:09:21.7 94.73
2.50		 00:00:36.9
00:00:00.2
17 39
FRA 		Gilbert Quentin / Jamoul Renaud
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:09:23.1 94.49
2.59		 00:00:38.3
00:00:01.4
18 40
GBR 		Greensmith Gus / Parry Craig
Ford Fiesta R5		 RC2 00:09:23.9 94.36
2.65		 00:00:39.1
00:00:00.8
19 41
DEU 		Griebel Marijan / Kopczyk Stefan
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:09:24.3 94.29
2.67		 00:00:39.5
00:00:00.4
20 48
GBR 		Armstrong Jon / O’Sullivan N.
Ford Fiesta R5		 RC2 00:09:25.4 94.11
2.75		 00:00:40.6
00:00:01.1
21 45
FRA 		Bonato Yoann / Boulloud B.
Citroën DS3 R5		 RC2 00:09:28.2 93.64
2.94		 00:00:43.4
00:00:02.8
22 44
SWE 		Bergkvist Emil / Fløene Ola
Citroën DS3 R5		 RC2 00:09:29.7 93.40
3.04		 00:00:44.9
00:00:01.5
23 38
FRA 		Rossel Yohan / Fulcrand B.
Citroën DS3 R5		 RC2 00:09:32.5 92.94
3.23		 00:00:47.7
00:00:02.8
24 37
ROU 		Tempestini S. / Bernacchini G.
Citroën DS3 R5		 RC2 00:09:33.0 92.86
3.26		 00:00:48.2
00:00:00.5
25 36
MEX 		Guerra Benito / Cue Daniel
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:09:35.4 92.47
3.42		 00:00:50.6
00:00:02.4
26 72
KOR 		Lim Chewon / Wydaeghe M.
Hyundai i20 R5		 RC2 00:09:40.0 91.74
3.73		 00:00:55.2
00:00:04.6
27 47
NLD 		Ten Brinke B. / Thierie Davy
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:09:41.5 91.50
3.84		 00:00:56.7
00:00:01.5
28 43
POL 		Pieniążek Ł. / Mazur P.
Peugeot 208 T16		 RC2 00:09:47.8 90.52
4.26		 00:01:03.0
00:00:06.3
29 76
FIN 		Huttunen Jari / Linnaketo Antti
Opel Adam R2		 RC4 00:10:05.7 87.85
5.47		 00:01:20.9
00:00:17.9
30 22
FRA 		Raoux J. / Galmiche I.
Citroën DS3 WRC		 RC1 00:10:09.7 87.27
5.74		 00:01:24.9
00:00:04.0
31 74
CZE 		Rujbr Patrik / Římalová V.
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:10:11.1 87.07
5.84		 00:01:26.3
00:00:01.4
32 78
DEU 		Gassner H. / Kramer Jasmin
Toyota GT86 CS-R3		 RC3 00:10:15.2 86.49
6.12		 00:01:30.4
00:00:04.1
33 80
IRL 		Boland Eamonn / Morrissey M.
Ford Fiesta R5		 RC2 00:10:16.5 86.31
6.20		 00:01:31.7
00:00:01.3
34 77
NLD 		Van der Marel T. / Van der Marel R.
Opel Adam R2		 RC4 00:10:18.8 85.99
6.36		 00:01:34.0
00:00:02.3
35 64
FRA 		Ciamin Nicolas / De La Haye T.
Ford Fiesta R2T		 RC4 00:10:20.5 85.75
6.47		 00:01:35.7
00:00:01.7
36 73
BEL 		Fumal Armand / Louette Michael
Citroën DS3 R5		 RC2 00:10:22.5 85.47
6.61		 00:01:37.7
00:00:02.0
37 23
BEL 		Serderidis J. / Miclotte F.
Citroën DS3 WRC		 RC1 00:10:22.7 85.45
6.62		 00:01:37.9
00:00:00.2
38 66
DEU 		Tannert Julius / Heigl Jürgen
Ford Fiesta R2T		 RC4 00:10:22.9 85.42
6.64		 00:01:38.1
00:00:00.2
39 63
ESP 		Solans Nil / Ibañez Miquel
Ford Fiesta R2T		 RC4 00:10:24.4 85.21
6.74		 00:01:39.6
00:00:01.5
40 61
FRA 		Astier Raphaël / Vauclare F.
Peugeot 208 R2		 RC4 00:10:26.2 84.97
6.86		 00:01:41.4
00:00:01.8
41 88
DEU 		Gropp Uwe / Ostlender Hanna
Citroën DS3 R3T		 RC3 00:10:33.2 84.03
7.33		 00:01:48.4
00:00:07.0
42 86
FIN 		Lario Taisko / Hämäläinen T.
Peugeot 208 R2		 RC4 00:10:41.7 82.92
7.91		 00:01:56.9
00:00:08.5
43 79
NLD 		Vossen Henk / Van Barschot S.
Ford Fiesta R5		 RC2 00:10:47.2 82.21
8.28		 00:02:02.4
00:00:05.5
44 90
ITA 		Molinaro Tamara / Engan Veronica
Opel Adam R2		 RC4 00:11:02.7 80.29
9.33		 00:02:17.9
00:00:15.5
45 62
ITA 		Brazzoli Enrico / Barone Maurizio
Peugeot 208 R2		 RC4 00:11:05.5 79.95
9.52		 00:02:20.7
00:00:02.8
46 91
DEU 		Lauer Frank / Brack Martin
Citroën DS3 R3T		 RC3 00:11:27.6 77.38
11.01		 00:02:42.8
00:00:22.1
47 83
DEU 		Klein Marius / Grimberg H.
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X		 RC2 00:11:29.1 77.21
11.12		 00:02:44.3
00:00:01.5
48 87
FRA 		Wendling Y. / Di Nisi Laurent
Peugeot 208 R2		 RC4 00:11:31.7 76.92
11.29		 00:02:46.9
00:00:02.6
49 95
DEU 		Hohlheimer J. / Sanesi Sandro
Renault Twingo R2		 RC4 00:11:39.6 76.05
11.83		 00:02:54.8
00:00:07.9
50 94
DEU 		Ehlhardt W. / Michel Helmut
Opel Astra OPC		 RC2 00:12:11.9 72.70
14.01		 00:03:27.1
00:00:32.3
51 96
DEU 		Bächle C. / Brack Isabelle
Citroën DS3 R1		 RC5 00:12:50.0 69.10
16.59		 00:04:05.2
00:00:38.1
52 5
BEL 		Neuville T. / Gilsoul Nicolas
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC		 RC1 00:15:44.8 56.32
28.42		 00:07:00.0
00:02:54.8
- 7
GBR 		Meeke Kris / Nagle Paul
Citroën C3 WRC		 RC1 00:15:44.8 56.32
28.42		 00:07:00.0
00:00:00.0
54 75
DEU 		Gassner Hermann / Thannhäuser K.
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X		 RC2 00:15:58.6 55.51
29.35		 00:07:13.8
00:00:13.8
55 49
NLD 		Schilt Edwin / Bakker Lisette
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:16:15.8 54.53
30.51		 00:07:31.0
00:00:17.2
56 71
DEU 		Kreim Fabian / Christian Frank
Škoda Fabia R5		 RC2 00:16:40.0 53.21
32.15		 00:07:55.2
00:00:24.2
57 81
BEL 		Molle Amaury / Herman Renaud
Peugeot 208 R2		 RC4 00:17:05.7 51.87
33.89		 00:08:20.9
00:00:25.7
- 89
GBR 		Williams Tom / Hall Philip
Ford Fiesta R2		 RC4 00:17:05.7 51.87
33.89		 00:08:20.9
00:00:00.0
59 93
DEU 		Wecker Josef / Clemens Stefan
Renault Clio R3T		 RC3 00:17:15.2 51.40
34.53		 00:08:30.4
00:00:09.5
60 65
FRA 		Folb Terry / Guieu C.
Ford Fiesta R2T		 RC4 00:17:20.5 51.14
34.89		 00:08:35.7
00:00:05.3
koht Nr
Juht / Kaardilugeja
Auto		 koht LK aeg
Karistused		 Aeg kokku Vahe liidriga
Vahe eelnevaga
1 2
EST
1		 Tänak Ott / Järveoja M.
Ford Fiesta WRC  		RC1
1		 01:17:52.9
 01:17:52.9 00:00:00.0
00:00:00.0
2 1
FRA
2		 Ogier S. / Ingrassia J.
Ford Fiesta WRC  		RC1
2		 01:17:54.1
 01:17:54.1 00:00:01.2
00:00:01.2
3 9
NOR
4		 Mikkelsen A. / Jæger Anders
Citroën C3 WRC  		RC1
3		 01:18:12.0
 01:18:12.0 00:00:19.1
00:00:17.9
4 6
ESP
3		 Sordo Dani / Martí Marc
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC  		RC1
4		 01:18:12.6
 01:18:12.6 00:00:19.7
00:00:00.6
5 11
FIN
5		 Hänninen Juho / Lindström Kaj
Toyota Yaris WRC  		RC1
5		 01:18:25.5
 01:18:25.5 00:00:32.6
00:00:12.9
6 8
IRL
6		 Breen Craig / Martin Scott
Citroën C3 WRC  		RC1
6		 01:18:30.8
 01:18:30.8 00:00:37.9
00:00:05.3
7 3
GBR
7		 Evans Elfyn / Barritt Daniel
Ford Fiesta WRC  		RC1
7		 01:18:47.8
 01:18:47.8 00:00:54.9
00:00:17.0
8 4
NZL
8		 Paddon Hayden / Marshall S.
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC  		RC1
8		 01:19:56.5
 01:19:56.5 00:02:03.6
00:01:08.7
9 10
FIN
9		 Latvala J. / Anttila Miikka
Toyota Yaris WRC  		RC1
9		 01:20:07.4
 01:20:07.4 00:02:14.5
00:00:10.9
10 12
FIN
10		 Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne
Toyota Yaris WRC  		RC1
10		 01:21:05.2
 01:21:05.2 00:03:12.3
00:00:57.8
11 14
DEU
11		 Kremer Armin / Winklhofer P.
Ford Fiesta WRC  		RC1
11		 01:21:51.6
 01:21:51.6 00:03:58.7
00:00:46.4
12 33
FRA
12		 Camilli Eric / Veillas B.
Ford Fiesta R5  		RC2
1		 01:22:13.5
 01:22:13.5 00:04:20.6
00:00:21.9
13 40
GBR
13		 Greensmith Gus / Parry Craig
Ford Fiesta R5  		RC2
2		 01:23:26.9
 01:23:26.9 00:05:34.0
00:01:13.4
14 39
FRA
14		 Gilbert Quentin / Jamoul Renaud
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
3		 01:23:44.2
 01:23:44.2 00:05:51.3
00:00:17.3
15 31
SWE
15		 Tidemand Pontus / Andersson Jonas
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
4		 01:23:47.4
 01:23:47.4 00:05:54.5
00:00:03.2
16 34
CZE
18		 Kopecký Jan / Dresler Pavel
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
5		 01:23:49.9
 01:23:49.9 00:05:57.0
00:00:02.5
17 48
GBR
17		 Armstrong Jon / O’Sullivan N.
Ford Fiesta R5  		RC2
6		 01:23:56.5
 01:23:56.5 00:06:03.6
00:00:06.6
18 44
SWE
16		 Bergkvist Emil / Fløene Ola
Citroën DS3 R5  		RC2
7		 01:23:59.5
 01:23:59.5 00:06:06.6
00:00:03.0
19 45
FRA
19		 Bonato Yoann / Boulloud B.
Citroën DS3 R5  		RC2
8		 01:23:55.2
00:00:10.0		 01:24:05.2 00:06:12.3
00:00:05.7
20 37
ROU
20		 Tempestini S. / Bernacchini G.
Citroën DS3 R5  		RC2
9		 01:24:23.1
 01:24:23.1 00:06:30.2
00:00:17.9
21 38
FRA
21		 Rossel Yohan / Fulcrand B.
Citroën DS3 R5  		RC2
10		 01:24:52.4
 01:24:52.4 00:06:59.5
00:00:29.3
22 32
FIN
23		 Suninen Teemu / Markkula Mikko
Ford Fiesta R5  		RC2
11		 01:25:06.9
 01:25:06.9 00:07:14.0
00:00:14.5
23 42
FRA
24		 Loubet P. / Landais Vincent
Ford Fiesta R5  		RC2
12		 01:25:10.7
 01:25:10.7 00:07:17.8
00:00:03.8
24 36
MEX
22		 Guerra Benito / Cue Daniel
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
13		 01:25:12.9
 01:25:12.9 00:07:20.0
00:00:02.2
25 47
NLD
25		 Ten Brinke B. / Thierie Davy
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
14		 01:25:34.8
 01:25:34.8 00:07:41.9
00:00:21.9
26 41
DEU
27		 Griebel Marijan / Kopczyk Stefan
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
15		 01:26:19.7
 01:26:19.7 00:08:26.8
00:00:44.9
27 22
FRA
28		 Raoux J. / Galmiche I.
Citroën DS3 WRC  		RC1
12		 01:27:35.0
 01:27:35.0 00:09:42.1
00:01:15.3
28 72
KOR
29		 Lim Chewon / Wydaeghe M.
Hyundai i20 R5  		RC2
16		 01:27:50.4
 01:27:50.4 00:09:57.5
00:00:15.4
29 23
BEL
30		 Serderidis J. / Miclotte F.
Citroën DS3 WRC  		RC1
13		 01:29:15.4
 01:29:15.4 00:11:22.5
00:01:25.0
30 74
CZE
31		 Rujbr Patrik / Římalová V.
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
17		 01:29:41.2
 01:29:41.2 00:11:48.3
00:00:25.8
31 80
IRL
33		 Boland Eamonn / Morrissey M.
Ford Fiesta R5  		RC2
18		 01:30:27.4
 01:30:27.4 00:12:34.5
00:00:46.2
32 73
BEL
34		 Fumal Armand / Louette Michael
Citroën DS3 R5  		RC2
19		 01:30:49.7
 01:30:49.7 00:12:56.8
00:00:22.3
33 63
ESP
35		 Solans Nil / Ibañez Miquel
Ford Fiesta R2T  		RC4
1		 01:31:11.5
 01:31:11.5 00:13:18.6
00:00:21.8
34 78
DEU
36		 Gassner H. / Kramer Jasmin
Toyota GT86 CS-R3  		RC3
1		 01:31:11.7
 01:31:11.7 00:13:18.8
00:00:00.2
35 43
POL
39		 Pieniążek Ł. / Mazur P.
Peugeot 208 T16  		RC2
20		 01:31:12.7
 01:31:12.7 00:13:19.8
00:00:01.0
36 76
FIN
37		 Huttunen Jari / Linnaketo Antti
Opel Adam R2  		RC4
2		 01:31:13.9
 01:31:13.9 00:13:21.0
00:00:01.2
37 66
DEU
38		 Tannert Julius / Heigl Jürgen
Ford Fiesta R2T  		RC4
3		 01:31:40.4
 01:31:40.4 00:13:47.5
00:00:26.5
38 77
NLD
40		 Van der Marel T. / Van der Marel R.
Opel Adam R2  		RC4
4		 01:31:51.4
 01:31:51.4 00:13:58.5
00:00:11.0
39 7
GBR
26		 Meeke Kris / Nagle Paul
Citroën C3 WRC  		RC1
14		 01:32:10.5
 01:32:10.5 00:14:17.6
00:00:19.1
40 61
FRA
43		 Astier Raphaël / Vauclare F.
Peugeot 208 R2  		RC4
5		 01:33:27.6
 01:33:27.6 00:15:34.7
00:01:17.1
41 79
NLD
42		 Vossen Henk / Van Barschot S.
Ford Fiesta R5  		RC2
21		 01:33:42.7
 01:33:42.7 00:15:49.8
00:00:15.1
42 75
DEU
32		 Gassner Hermann / Thannhäuser K.
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X  		RC2
22		 01:35:46.7
 01:35:46.7 00:17:53.8
00:02:04.0
43 88
DEU
45		 Gropp Uwe / Ostlender Hanna
Citroën DS3 R3T  		RC3
2		 01:35:50.3
 01:35:50.3 00:17:57.4
00:00:03.6
44 86
FIN
46		 Lario Taisko / Hämäläinen T.
Peugeot 208 R2  		RC4
6		 01:36:13.3
 01:36:13.3 00:18:20.4
00:00:23.0
45 62
ITA
47		 Brazzoli Enrico / Barone Maurizio
Peugeot 208 R2  		RC4
7		 01:37:39.0
 01:37:39.0 00:19:46.1
00:01:25.7
46 71
DEU
41		 Kreim Fabian / Christian Frank
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
23		 01:39:00.9
 01:39:00.9 00:21:08.0
00:01:21.9
47 49
NLD
44		 Schilt Edwin / Bakker Lisette
Škoda Fabia R5  		RC2
24		 01:39:17.3
 01:39:17.3 00:21:24.4
00:00:16.4
48 83
DEU
48		 Klein Marius / Grimberg H.
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X  		RC2
25		 01:40:11.8
 01:40:11.8 00:22:18.9
00:00:54.5
49 95
DEU
49		 Hohlheimer J. / Sanesi Sandro
Renault Twingo R2  		RC4
8		 01:42:08.2
 01:42:08.2 00:24:15.3
00:01:56.4
50 90
ITA
52		 Molinaro Tamara / Engan Veronica
Opel Adam R2  		RC4
9		 01:40:58.2
00:01:20.0		 01:42:18.2 00:24:25.3
00:00:10.0
51 91
DEU
50		 Lauer Frank / Brack Martin
Citroën DS3 R3T  		RC3
3		 01:42:10.5
00:00:10.0		 01:42:20.5 00:24:27.6
00:00:02.3
52 87
FRA
51		 Wendling Y. / Di Nisi Laurent
Peugeot 208 R2  		RC4
10		 01:42:38.9
 01:42:38.9 00:24:46.0
00:00:18.4
53 64
FRA
54		 Ciamin Nicolas / De La Haye T.
Ford Fiesta R2T  		RC4
11		 01:42:55.6
00:04:20.0		 01:47:15.6 00:29:22.7
00:04:36.7
54 81
BEL
53		 Molle Amaury / Herman Renaud
Peugeot 208 R2  		RC4
12		 01:49:41.9
00:00:10.0		 01:49:51.9 00:31:59.0
00:02:36.3
55 94
DEU
55		 Ehlhardt W. / Michel Helmut
Opel Astra OPC  		RC2
26		 01:52:18.7
 01:52:18.7 00:34:25.8
00:02:26.8
56 96
DEU
56		 Bächle C. / Brack Isabelle
Citroën DS3 R1  		RC5
1		 01:54:01.5
00:00:10.0		 01:54:11.5 00:36:18.6
00:01:52.8
57 5
BEL
57		 Neuville T. / Gilsoul Nicolas
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC  		RC1
15		 02:06:53.2
 02:06:53.2 00:49:00.3
00:12:41.7
58 93
DEU
58		 Wecker Josef / Clemens Stefan
Renault Clio R3T  		RC3
4		 02:09:14.6
 02:09:14.6 00:51:21.7
00:02:21.4
59 89
GBR
59		 Williams Tom / Hall Philip
Ford Fiesta R2  		RC4
13		 02:09:52.1
 02:09:52.1 00:51:59.2
00:00:37.5
60 65
FRA
60		 Folb Terry / Guieu C.
Ford Fiesta R2T  		RC4
14		 02:19:55.7
 02:19:55.7 01:02:02.8
00:10:03.6
LK informatsioon 16
retired (45 - Bonato Yoann / Boulloud Benjamin): retired after SS 16
flash info (6 - Sordo Dani / Martí Marc): We had a lot of understeer. We lost a lot in the long corners.
flash info (12 - Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne): I thought it was a good stage but again the time is not good. I don't understand it...
flash info (2 - Tänak Ott / Järveoja Martin): Driving cleanly. The conditions are enjoyable.
flash info (9 - Mikkelsen Andreas / Jæger Anders): I think both me and Seb (Ogier) are pushing to the maximum. My confidence in the car is getting better and better with each kilometre.
flash info (1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): I cannot go for crazy risks for an extra three points but I keep the pressure on and see what happens. Good grip now in this stage.
flash info (3 - Evans Elfyn / Barritt Daniel): As good as we could have hoped on the cross tyres. A bit unfair on Juho, I know he has a problem...
flash info (8 - Breen Craig / Martin Scott): Not as nervous as before. Not a million miles away from the guys ahead now. We'll keep the push on.
flash info (11 - Hänninen Juho / Lindström Kaj): Missing one damper on this stage. Not easy.
flash info (4 - Paddon Hayden / Marshall Sebastian): Cutting the bales a bit in here again.
flash info (14 - Kremer Armin / Winklhofer Pirmin): Tricky like before but ok.