Rally Sweden 2024

Rally Sweden 2024


15. 02. 2024 - 18. 02. 2024

Unofficial results
List for category: All
SS 3 - Norrby 1
SS length: 12.80km
Pos. No. Driver / Co-driver
Vehicle
Group SS time Aver. speed
sec/km
Diff.Leader
Diff.Prev.
1 4
FIN
Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne
Hyundai i20 N Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:05:47.1 132.76
0.00
00:00:00.0
00:00:00.0
2 69
FIN
Rovanperä K. / Halttunen Jonne
Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:05:48.3 132.30
0.09
00:00:01.2
00:00:01.2
3 18
JPN
Katsuta T. / Johnston Aaron
Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:05:49.1 132.00
0.16
00:00:02.0
00:00:00.8
4 8
EST
Tänak Ott / Järveoja M.
Hyundai i20 N Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:05:49.2 131.96
0.16
00:00:02.1
00:00:00.1
5 16
FRA
Fourmaux Adrien / Coria Alexandre
Ford Puma Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:05:56.0 129.44
0.70
00:00:08.9
00:00:06.8
6 33
GBR
Evans Elfyn / Martin Scott
Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:05:58.5 128.54
0.89
00:00:11.4
00:00:02.5
7 11
BEL
Neuville T. / Wydaeghe M.
Hyundai i20 N Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:06:00.2 127.93
1.02
00:00:13.1
00:00:01.7
8 13
LUX
Munster G. / Louka Louis
Ford Puma Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:06:01.7 127.40
1.14
00:00:14.6
00:00:01.5
9 21
SWE
Solberg Oliver / Edmondson E.
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:08.0 125.22
1.63
00:00:20.9
00:00:06.3
10 25
EST
Linnamäe Georg / Morgan James
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2
RC2 00:06:08.8 124.95
1.70
00:00:21.7
00:00:00.8
11 29
FIN
Korhonen Roope / Viinikka Anssi
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2
RC2 00:06:09.1 124.84
1.72
00:00:22.0
00:00:00.3
12 20
BGR
Gryazin Nikolay / Aleksandrov K.
Citroën C3 Rally2
RC2 00:06:10.8 124.27
1.85
00:00:23.7
00:00:01.7
13 22
FIN
Pajari Sami / Mälkönen Enni
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2
RC2 00:06:12.7 123.64
2.00
00:00:25.6
00:00:01.9
14 26
FIN
Heikkilä Mikko / Temonen K.
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2
RC2 00:06:14.0 123.21
2.10
00:00:26.9
00:00:01.3
15 31
ESP
Solans Jan / Sanjuán R.
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2
RC2 00:06:14.9 122.91
2.17
00:00:27.8
00:00:00.9
16 32
SWE
Reiersen Isak / Karlsson Lucas
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:15.0 122.88
2.18
00:00:27.9
00:00:00.1
17 24
FIN
Joona Lauri / Hussi Janni
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:15.1 122.85
2.19
00:00:28.0
00:00:00.1
18 23
FIN
Lindholm Emil / Hämäläinen R.
Hyundai i20 N Rally2
RC2 00:06:16.5 122.39
2.30
00:00:29.4
00:00:01.4
19 27
PRY
Zaldivar F. / Der Ohannesian M.
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:18.0 121.90
2.41
00:00:30.9
00:00:01.5
20 35
JPN
Kogure Hikaru / Luhtinen Topi
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2
RC2 00:06:18.5 121.74
2.45
00:00:31.4
00:00:00.5
21 28
EST
Jeets Gregor / Taniel Timo
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:19.4 121.45
2.52
00:00:32.3
00:00:00.9
22 34
JPN
Yamamoto Yuki / Salminen Marko
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2
RC2 00:06:23.6 120.13
2.85
00:00:36.5
00:00:04.2
23 30
IRL
Creighton W. / Regan Liam
Ford Fiesta Rally2 MkII
RC2 00:06:25.9 119.41
3.03
00:00:38.8
00:00:02.3
24 36
POL
Sołowow M. / Baran Maciej
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:26.6 119.19
3.09
00:00:39.5
00:00:00.7
25 38
SAU
Al-Rashed Rakan / Magalhães Hugo
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:31.8 117.61
3.49
00:00:44.7
00:00:05.2
26 50
POL
Matulka Jakub / Dymurski Daniel
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:33.5 117.10
3.63
00:00:46.4
00:00:01.7
27 37
ITA
Bertelli L. / Scattolin S.
Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 Hybrid
RC1 00:06:34.7 116.75
3.72
00:00:47.6
00:00:01.2
28 66
POL
Kołtun J. / Pleskot I.
Ford Fiesta Rally2 MkII
RC2 00:06:35.9 116.39
3.81
00:00:48.8
00:00:01.2
29 43
CZE
Černý Jan / Krajča Ondřej
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:36.0 116.36
3.82
00:00:48.9
00:00:00.1
30 52
DEU
Schwarz Fabio / Ettel Bernhard
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:39.3 115.40
4.08
00:00:52.2
00:00:03.3
31 58
KAZ
Borodin Petr / Cheprassov R.
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:40.8 114.97
4.20
00:00:53.7
00:00:01.5
32 55
AUS
Gill Taylor / Brkic Daniel
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:41.0 114.91
4.21
00:00:53.9
00:00:00.2
33 49
IRL
Kelly Eamonn / Mohan Conor
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:41.2 114.86
4.23
00:00:54.1
00:00:00.2
34 39
FIN
Viitanen Marko / Suominen Tapio
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:43.4 114.23
4.40
00:00:56.3
00:00:02.2
- 60
CHL
Rosselot G. / Brizio Marcelo
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:43.4 114.23
4.40
00:00:56.3
00:00:00.0
36 54
BEL
Rensonnet Tom / Dumont Loïc
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:44.1 114.03
4.45
00:00:57.0
00:00:00.7
37 57
BOL
Bruun Nataniel / Olmos Pablo
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:45.8 113.55
4.59
00:00:58.7
00:00:01.7
38 53
ESP
Blach Roberto / Barreiro Mauro
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:46.7 113.30
4.66
00:00:59.6
00:00:00.9
39 44
CZE
Kohn Filip / Woodburn Tom
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:47.2 113.16
4.70
00:01:00.1
00:00:00.5
40 56
ESP
Hernández R. / Murado José
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:47.5 113.08
4.72
00:01:00.4
00:00:00.3
41 62
ZAF
Smart Max / Fair Cameron
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:48.9 112.69
4.83
00:01:01.8
00:00:01.4
42 47
EST
Jürgenson R. / Oja Siim
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:50.9 112.14
4.98
00:01:03.8
00:00:02.0
43 51
SWE
Johansson Mille / Grönvall Johan
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:53.5 111.44
5.19
00:01:06.4
00:00:02.6
44 65
NLD
Burger Kees / Arminen Teemu
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:06:54.6 111.14
5.27
00:01:07.5
00:00:01.1
45 61
PER
Caparó José / Gutiérrez E.
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:06:55.5 110.90
5.34
00:01:08.4
00:00:00.9
46 64
MEX
Triviño R. / Fuentes Diego
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2
RC2 00:06:57.3 110.42
5.48
00:01:10.2
00:00:01.8
47 71
AUS
Rullo Peter / Searcy Ben
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:07:00.1 109.69
5.70
00:01:13.0
00:00:02.8
48 67
FRA
Ribaudo Tony / Degrange Julien
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:07:03.6 108.78
5.98
00:01:16.5
00:00:03.5
49 70
ITA
Fontana Matteo / Arnaboldi A.
Peugeot 208 Rally4
RC4 00:07:08.9 107.44
6.39
00:01:21.8
00:00:05.3
50 59
OMN
Al-Rawahi A. / Al-Hmoud Ata
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:07:18.7 105.04
7.16
00:01:31.6
00:00:09.8
51 41
GBR
Leckey James / McAuley Stephen
Citroën C3 Rally2
RC2 00:07:46.3 98.82
9.31
00:01:59.2
00:00:27.6
52 46
ROU
Maior Norbert / Maior Francesca
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:08:16.5 92.81
11.67
00:02:29.4
00:00:30.2
53 45
PRY
Dominguez Diego / Peñate Rogelio
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:09:34.5 80.21
17.77
00:03:47.4
00:01:18.0
54 40
MEX
Mauro Alejandro / Pérez Adrián
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:10:36.7 72.37
22.63
00:04:49.6
00:01:02.2
55 63
PER
Martinez André / Sierra G.
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:11:19.3 67.83
25.95
00:05:32.2
00:00:42.6
56 68
ITA
Milani Oreste / Arena Nicola
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:16:33.5 46.38
50.50
00:10:46.4
00:05:14.2
Pos. No.
Driver / Co-driver
Vehicle
Pos. SS time
Penalty
Total time Diff.Leader
Diff.Prev.
1 69
FIN

1
Rovanperä K. / Halttunen Jonne
Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
1
00:15:19.3
00:15:19.3 00:00:00.0
00:00:00.0
2 18
JPN

2
Katsuta T. / Johnston Aaron
Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
2
00:15:25.0
00:15:25.0 00:00:05.7
00:00:05.7
3 8
EST

3
Tänak Ott / Järveoja M.
Hyundai i20 N Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
3
00:15:25.5
00:15:25.5 00:00:06.2
00:00:00.5
4 4
FIN

4
Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne
Hyundai i20 N Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
4
00:15:25.9
00:15:25.9 00:00:06.6
00:00:00.4
5 33
GBR

5
Evans Elfyn / Martin Scott
Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
5
00:15:37.6
00:15:37.6 00:00:18.3
00:00:11.7
6 16
FRA

6
Fourmaux Adrien / Coria Alexandre
Ford Puma Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
6
00:15:40.5
00:15:40.5 00:00:21.2
00:00:02.9
7 11
BEL

7
Neuville T. / Wydaeghe M.
Hyundai i20 N Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
7
00:15:45.1
00:15:45.1 00:00:25.8
00:00:04.6
8 13
LUX

9
Munster G. / Louka Louis
Ford Puma Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
8
00:16:03.6
00:16:03.6 00:00:44.3
00:00:18.5
9 21
SWE

8
Solberg Oliver / Edmondson E.
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
1
00:16:07.1
00:16:07.1 00:00:47.8
00:00:03.5
10 22
FIN

10
Pajari Sami / Mälkönen Enni
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2 
RC2
2
00:16:18.0
00:16:18.0 00:00:58.7
00:00:10.9
11 25
EST

11
Linnamäe Georg / Morgan James
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2 
RC2
3
00:16:18.7
00:16:18.7 00:00:59.4
00:00:00.7
12 20
BGR

12
Gryazin Nikolay / Aleksandrov K.
Citroën C3 Rally2 
RC2
4
00:16:21.3
00:16:21.3 00:01:02.0
00:00:02.6
13 29
FIN

14
Korhonen Roope / Viinikka Anssi
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2 
RC2
5
00:16:22.5
00:16:22.5 00:01:03.2
00:00:01.2
14 23
FIN

15
Lindholm Emil / Hämäläinen R.
Hyundai i20 N Rally2 
RC2
6
00:16:30.4
00:16:30.4 00:01:11.1
00:00:07.9
15 24
FIN

16
Joona Lauri / Hussi Janni
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
7
00:16:32.4
00:16:32.4 00:01:13.1
00:00:02.0
16 26
FIN

19
Heikkilä Mikko / Temonen K.
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2 
RC2
8
00:16:33.3
00:16:33.3 00:01:14.0
00:00:00.9
17 32
SWE

17
Reiersen Isak / Karlsson Lucas
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
9
00:16:33.8
00:16:33.8 00:01:14.5
00:00:00.5
18 31
ESP

18
Solans Jan / Sanjuán R.
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2 
RC2
10
00:16:33.9
00:16:33.9 00:01:14.6
00:00:00.1
19 27
PRY

20
Zaldivar F. / Der Ohannesian M.
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
11
00:16:40.6
00:16:40.6 00:01:21.3
00:00:06.7
20 37
ITA

13
Bertelli L. / Scattolin S.
Toyota GR Yaris Rally1 Hybrid 
RC1
9
00:16:46.5
00:16:46.5 00:01:27.2
00:00:05.9
21 35
JPN

21
Kogure Hikaru / Luhtinen Topi
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2 
RC2
12
00:16:46.7
00:16:46.7 00:01:27.4
00:00:00.2
22 28
EST

24
Jeets Gregor / Taniel Timo
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
13
00:16:48.5
00:16:48.5 00:01:29.2
00:00:01.8
23 34
JPN

23
Yamamoto Yuki / Salminen Marko
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2 
RC2
14
00:16:52.2
00:16:52.2 00:01:32.9
00:00:03.7
24 30
IRL

22
Creighton W. / Regan Liam
Ford Fiesta Rally2 MkII 
RC2
15
00:16:54.1
00:16:54.1 00:01:34.8
00:00:01.9
25 43
CZE

25
Černý Jan / Krajča Ondřej
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
1
00:17:17.1
00:17:17.1 00:01:57.8
00:00:23.0
26 38
SAU

29
Al-Rashed Rakan / Magalhães Hugo
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
16
00:17:22.7
00:17:22.7 00:02:03.4
00:00:05.6
27 55
AUS

26
Gill Taylor / Brkic Daniel
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
2
00:17:29.4
00:17:29.4 00:02:10.1
00:00:06.7
28 66
POL

31
Kołtun J. / Pleskot I.
Ford Fiesta Rally2 MkII 
RC2
17
00:17:32.0
00:17:32.0 00:02:12.7
00:00:02.6
29 56
ESP

27
Hernández R. / Murado José
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
3
00:17:37.4
00:17:37.4 00:02:18.1
00:00:05.4
30 52
DEU

33
Schwarz Fabio / Ettel Bernhard
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
4
00:17:37.5
00:17:37.5 00:02:18.2
00:00:00.1
31 58
KAZ

32
Borodin Petr / Cheprassov R.
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
5
00:17:37.8
00:17:37.8 00:02:18.5
00:00:00.3
32 47
EST

28
Jürgenson R. / Oja Siim
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
6
00:17:41.0
00:17:41.0 00:02:21.7
00:00:03.2
33 60
CHL

34
Rosselot G. / Brizio Marcelo
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
7
00:17:42.6
00:17:42.6 00:02:23.3
00:00:01.6
34 49
IRL

36
Kelly Eamonn / Mohan Conor
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
8
00:17:44.5
00:17:44.5 00:02:25.2
00:00:01.9
35 50
POL

38
Matulka Jakub / Dymurski Daniel
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
9
00:17:45.0
00:17:45.0 00:02:25.7
00:00:00.5
36 51
SWE

30
Johansson Mille / Grönvall Johan
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
10
00:17:45.9
00:17:45.9 00:02:26.6
00:00:00.9
37 54
BEL

37
Rensonnet Tom / Dumont Loïc
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
11
00:17:48.5
00:17:48.5 00:02:29.2
00:00:02.6
38 36
POL

49
Sołowow M. / Baran Maciej
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
18
00:17:58.0
00:17:58.0 00:02:38.7
00:00:09.5
39 53
ESP

40
Blach Roberto / Barreiro Mauro
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
12
00:18:01.3
00:18:01.3 00:02:42.0
00:00:03.3
40 44
CZE

41
Kohn Filip / Woodburn Tom
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
13
00:18:03.8
00:18:03.8 00:02:44.5
00:00:02.5
41 57
BOL

43
Bruun Nataniel / Olmos Pablo
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
14
00:18:07.7
00:18:07.7 00:02:48.4
00:00:03.9
42 61
PER

39
Caparó José / Gutiérrez E.
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
15
00:18:09.5
00:18:09.5 00:02:50.2
00:00:01.8
43 39
FIN

47
Viitanen Marko / Suominen Tapio
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
19
00:18:13.3
00:18:13.3 00:02:54.0
00:00:03.8
44 64
MEX

42
Triviño R. / Fuentes Diego
Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 
RC2
20
00:18:15.1
00:18:15.1 00:02:55.8
00:00:01.8
45 62
ZAF

45
Smart Max / Fair Cameron
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
16
00:18:16.1
00:18:16.1 00:02:56.8
00:00:01.0
46 71
AUS

48
Rullo Peter / Searcy Ben
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
21
00:18:30.3
00:18:30.3 00:03:11.0
00:00:14.2
47 67
FRA

50
Ribaudo Tony / Degrange Julien
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
22
00:18:38.7
00:18:38.7 00:03:19.4
00:00:08.4
48 59
OMN

44
Al-Rawahi A. / Al-Hmoud Ata
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
17
00:18:41.7
00:18:41.7 00:03:22.4
00:00:03.0
49 70
ITA

51
Fontana Matteo / Arnaboldi A.
Peugeot 208 Rally4 
RC4
1
00:18:47.3
00:18:47.3 00:03:28.0
00:00:05.6
50 41
GBR

53
Leckey James / McAuley Stephen
Citroën C3 Rally2 
RC2
23
00:19:43.6
00:19:43.6 00:04:24.3
00:00:56.3
51 46
ROU

46
Maior Norbert / Maior Francesca
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
18
00:19:45.7
00:19:45.7 00:04:26.4
00:00:02.1
52 40
MEX

35
Mauro Alejandro / Pérez Adrián
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
24
00:21:38.1
00:21:38.1 00:06:18.8
00:01:52.4
53 65
NLD

55
Burger Kees / Arminen Teemu
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
25
00:22:04.1
00:22:04.1 00:06:44.8
00:00:26.0
54 63
PER

52
Martinez André / Sierra G.
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
19
00:23:03.3
00:00:10.0
00:23:13.3 00:07:54.0
00:01:09.2
55 45
PRY

54
Dominguez Diego / Peñate Rogelio
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
20
00:23:24.3
00:00:20.0
00:23:44.3 00:08:25.0
00:00:31.0
56 68
ITA

56
Milani Oreste / Arena Nicola
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
21
00:37:39.1
00:37:39.1 00:22:19.8
00:13:54.8
INFORMATION ABOUT SS 3
flash info (24 - Joona Lauri / Hussi Janni): That was really horrible driving from me. It was so slippery, and I didn't trust the grip too much. The chicane came up faster than I had been expecting, so we lost some time there, but otherweise it was ok. We are through, and now we will keep trying to catch Emil.
flash info (22 - Pajari Sami / Mälkönen Enni): I had some really nasty hits from the snow, and I felt so sure something was broken on the car. I drove a little bit too cautiously after that. For sure Oliver will be tough to beat, but we are just warming up...
flash info (21 - Solberg Oliver / Edmondson Elliott): The conditions are so tricky. It's not easy to follow when it's so loose - you can't go fully sideways. It's so slippery, and there's probably more snow coming this afternoon, which will make it an even bigger challenge!
flash info (31 - Solans Jan / Sanjuán Rodrigo): Amazing - it's snowing quite a lot. As a Spaniard, I've never expereinced that before! It's very slippery, but we are here to enjoy and try to progress. We will try to push on the last stage of the morning and gain some positions.
flash info (20 - Gryazin Nikolay / Aleksandrov Konstantin): Visibility was ok, but the surface wasn't easy to drive. It feels quite good, to be honest, but let's see what times the others do...
flash info (37 - Bertelli Lorenzo / Scattolin Simone): I just lost the rear at the first chicane and snapped into a snowbank. I think maybe the pace note was not quite right. Conditions are not easy, but it's still enjoyable - I'm having fun, so, it's no problem.
flash info (4 - Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne): It was fairly ok. I had a clean stage with no big time loss anywhere, but at some braking points I was too early - the same problem as yesterday evening. If we can improve that, the times should be a bit better.
flash info (69 - Rovanperä Kalle / Halttunen Jonne): My driving was horrible, embarrassing. I need to dp better on the next one!
flash info (13 - Munster Grégoire / Louka Louis): It's really difficult. With that much snow, the grip is very low and you see the others are making different lines. You are playing with sometimes grip, somethimes not, but it's good learning.
flash info (18 - Katsuta Takamoto / Johnston Aaron): Of course I like the snowbanks, but not too much! There's a lot of snow, and while the road is for sure cleaning a lot, it's also getting messy which is making the lines disappear.
flash info (16 - Fourmaux Adrien / Coria Alexandre): I'm struggling a little bit to find the apex of the corners. Sometimes I'm a bit wide, sometimes too close and I touch a bit the snowbank. It's not easy because the visibility is quite low and we're losing some grip with the snow on top of the road but it's ok - we're still here.
flash info (8 - Tänak Ott / Järveoja Martin): It's very difficult to see. At the beginning of the stage, there was a lot of fresh snow, but with the visibility the way it is, you don't see it - you can only feel it.
flash info (33 - Evans Elfyn / Martin Scott): I completely lost the rear in a fast place and couldn't recover. We were quite lucky to get away with that. I just tried to hold onto it!
flash info (11 - Neuville Thierry / Wydaeghe Martijn): It’s really difficult. I don’t see much and there’s not grip.