Rally Sweden 2018

Rally Sweden 2018


15. 02. 2018 - 18. 02. 2018

Unofficial results
List for category: All
SS 15 - Super Special Stage Karlstad 2
SS length: 1.90km
Pos. No. Driver / Co-driver
Vehicle
Group SS time Aver. speed
sec/km
Diff.Leader
Diff.Prev.
1 8
EST
Tänak Ott / Järveoja M.
Toyota Yaris WRC
RC1 00:01:34.7 72.23
0.00
00:00:00.0
00:00:00.0
2 12
NOR
Østberg Mads / Eriksen T.
Citroën C3 WRC
RC1 00:01:35.0 72.00
0.16
00:00:00.3
00:00:00.3
3 7
FIN
Latvala J. / Anttila Miikka
Toyota Yaris WRC
RC1 00:01:35.3 71.77
0.32
00:00:00.6
00:00:00.3
4 1
FRA
Ogier S. / Ingrassia J.
Ford Fiesta WRC
RC1 00:01:35.5 71.62
0.42
00:00:00.8
00:00:00.2
- 5
BEL
Neuville T. / Gilsoul Nicolas
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC
RC1 00:01:35.5 71.62
0.42
00:00:00.8
00:00:00.0
6 9
FIN
Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne
Toyota Yaris WRC
RC1 00:01:35.9 71.32
0.63
00:00:01.2
00:00:00.4
7 4
NOR
Mikkelsen A. / Jæger Anders
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC
RC1 00:01:36.0 71.25
0.68
00:00:01.3
00:00:00.1
8 11
IRL
Breen Craig / Martin Scott
Citroën C3 WRC
RC1 00:01:36.4 70.95
0.89
00:00:01.7
00:00:00.4
9 2
GBR
Evans Elfyn / Barritt Daniel
Ford Fiesta WRC
RC1 00:01:36.6 70.81
1.00
00:00:01.9
00:00:00.2
10 6
NZL
Paddon Hayden / Marshall S.
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC
RC1 00:01:37.0 70.52
1.21
00:00:02.3
00:00:00.4
11 3
FIN
Suninen Teemu / Markkula Mikko
Ford Fiesta WRC
RC1 00:01:37.4 70.23
1.42
00:00:02.7
00:00:00.4
12 14
NOR
Solberg Henning / Menkerud Cato
Ford Fiesta WRC
RC1 00:01:37.6 70.08
1.53
00:00:02.9
00:00:00.2
13 102
SWE
Kristoffersson J. / Barth Patrik
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:38.4 69.51
1.95
00:00:03.7
00:00:00.8
14 35
JPN
Katsuta T. / Salminen Marko
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:38.7 69.30
2.11
00:00:04.0
00:00:00.3
- 43
FIN
Tuohino Janne / Hämäläinen R.
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:38.7 69.30
2.11
00:00:04.0
00:00:00.0
16 34
FIN
Huttunen Jari / Linnaketo Antti
Hyundai i20 R5
RC2 00:01:38.8 69.23
2.16
00:00:04.1
00:00:00.1
17 36
JPN
Arai Hiroki / MacNeall Glenn
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:39.0 69.09
2.26
00:00:04.3
00:00:00.2
18 32
NOR
Veiby O. / Skjærmoen S.
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:39.2 68.95
2.37
00:00:04.5
00:00:00.2
19 31
SWE
Tidemand Pontus / Andersson Jonas
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:40.2 68.26
2.89
00:00:05.5
00:00:01.0
20 42
SWE
Adielsson M. / Johansson A.
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:40.5 68.06
3.05
00:00:05.8
00:00:00.3
21 81
FIN
Nikara Jarkko / Adachi Sayaka
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:40.6 67.99
3.11
00:00:05.9
00:00:00.1
22 33
POL
Pieniążek Ł. / Mazur P.
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:41.2 67.59
3.42
00:00:06.5
00:00:00.6
23 45
FIN
Berg Jarmo / Suorsa Rami
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:41.3 67.52
3.47
00:00:06.6
00:00:00.1
24 83
ESP
Solans Nil / Ibañez Miquel
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:41.7 67.26
3.68
00:00:07.0
00:00:00.4
25 86
SWE
Andersson J. / Johansson M.
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:42.8 66.54
4.26
00:00:08.1
00:00:01.1
26 85
SWE
Holmberg Johan / Bäck C.
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:43.1 66.34
4.42
00:00:08.4
00:00:00.3
27 82
SWE
Monelius M. / Gustavsson Erik
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:43.9 65.83
4.84
00:00:09.2
00:00:00.8
28 90
ITA
Molinaro Tamara / Wydaeghe M.
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:44.5 65.45
5.16
00:00:09.8
00:00:00.6
29 88
NOR
Selmer C. / Selmer Anita
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:45.4 64.90
5.63
00:00:10.7
00:00:00.9
30 84
SWE
Sandberg Kjell / Lönnmark G.
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:46.6 64.17
6.26
00:00:11.9
00:00:01.2
31 89
ITA
Hoelbling Luca / Grassi Mauro
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:47.8 63.45
6.89
00:00:13.1
00:00:01.2
32 61
SWE
Bergkvist Emil / Fløene Ola
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:48.4 63.10
7.21
00:00:13.7
00:00:00.6
33 92
SWE
Roman Joakim / Buskas Madelene
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:49.7 62.35
7.89
00:00:15.0
00:00:01.3
34 99
SWE
Karlsson Anders / Nilsson Björn
Mitsubishi Mirage
00:01:49.8 62.30
7.95
00:00:15.1
00:00:00.1
35 62
FRA
Folb Terry / Guieu C.
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:50.7 61.79
8.42
00:00:16.0
00:00:00.9
36 63
SWE
Rådström D. / Johansson Johan
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:51.3 61.46
8.74
00:00:16.6
00:00:00.6
37 94
LTU
Jocius Deividas / Zvicevičius D.
Peugeot 208 R2
RC4 00:01:51.4 61.40
8.79
00:00:16.7
00:00:00.1
38 98
SWE
Carlström J. / Norman Jörgen
Mitsubishi Mirage
00:01:51.5 61.35
8.84
00:00:16.8
00:00:00.1
39 75
UKR
Protasov Yuriy / Cherepin Pavlo
Citroën DS3 R3T
RC3 00:01:51.9 61.13
9.05
00:00:17.2
00:00:00.4
40 66
DEU
Tannert Julius / Heigl Jürgen
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:52.3 60.91
9.26
00:00:17.6
00:00:00.4
41 76
FIN
Lario Taisko / Hämäläinen T.
Peugeot 208 R2
RC4 00:01:52.4 60.85
9.32
00:00:17.7
00:00:00.1
42 73
CHL
Fernàndez E. / Riquelme J.
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:53.4 60.32
9.84
00:00:18.7
00:00:01.0
43 69
FRA
Franceschi J. / Courbon Romain
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:54.2 59.89
10.26
00:00:19.5
00:00:00.8
44 68
NZL
Holder David / Farmer Jason
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:54.4 59.79
10.37
00:00:19.7
00:00:00.2
- 70
ITA
Bottarelli Luca / Fenoli Manuel
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:54.4 59.79
10.37
00:00:19.7
00:00:00.0
- 72
GBR
Williams Tom / Hall Philip
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:54.4 59.79
10.37
00:00:19.7
00:00:00.0
47 67
IRL
Devine Callum / Moriarty Keith
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:01:55.6 59.17
11.00
00:00:20.9
00:00:01.2
48 95
POL
Wieromiejczyk M. / Wróbel Jakub
Peugeot 208 R2
RC4 00:01:55.7 59.12
11.05
00:00:21.0
00:00:00.1
49 87
SWE
Alsdal Fredrik / Nilsson Emil
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:56.1 58.91
11.26
00:00:21.4
00:00:00.4
50 93
SWE
Brådhe J. / Wernefur Filip
Peugeot 208 R2
RC4 00:01:56.2 58.86
11.32
00:00:21.5
00:00:00.1
51 44
SWE
Stugemo Lars / Lexe Karl-Olof
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:01:57.6 58.16
12.05
00:00:22.9
00:00:01.4
52 46
ITA
Linari Gianluca / Arena Nicola
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:01:58.3 57.82
12.42
00:00:23.6
00:00:00.7
53 97
SWE
Blomberg Robert / Andersson Lars
Mitsubishi Mirage
00:01:59.7 57.14
13.16
00:00:25.0
00:00:01.4
54 71
FRA
Chalal Theo / Renucci J.
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:02:00.5 56.76
13.58
00:00:25.8
00:00:00.8
55 100
SWE
Larsson Sune / Oddshammar H.
Mitsubishi Mirage
00:02:07.5 53.65
17.26
00:00:32.8
00:00:07.0
56 96
SWE
Ryrlèn Heidi / Bengtsson M.
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:02:12.3 51.70
19.79
00:00:37.6
00:00:04.8
57 10
GBR
Meeke Kris / Nagle Paul
Citroën C3 WRC
RC1 00:08:34.7 13.29
221.05
00:07:00.0
00:06:22.4
58 38
ITA
Scandola U. / Gaspari Andrea
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:08:38.7 13.19
223.16
00:07:04.0
00:00:04.0
59 21
SAU
Al Rajhi Yazeed / Orr Michael
Ford Fiesta RS WRC
RC1 00:08:43.1 13.08
225.47
00:07:08.4
00:00:04.4
60 65
EST
Torn Ken / Sikk Kuldar
Ford Fiesta R2T
RC4 00:08:48.4 12.94
228.26
00:07:13.7
00:00:05.3
61 101
ITA
Frisiero G. / Agnese Giovanni
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX
00:08:49.8 12.91
229.00
00:07:15.1
00:00:01.4
Pos. No.
Driver / Co-driver
Vehicle
Pos. SS time
Penalty
Total time Diff.Leader
Diff.Prev.
1 5
BEL

1
Neuville T. / Gilsoul Nicolas
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC 
RC1
1
02:20:51.1
02:20:51.1 00:00:00.0
00:00:00.0
2 11
IRL

2
Breen Craig / Martin Scott
Citroën C3 WRC 
RC1
2
02:21:10.8
02:21:10.8 00:00:19.7
00:00:19.7
3 4
NOR

3
Mikkelsen A. / Jæger Anders
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC 
RC1
3
02:21:22.4
02:21:22.4 00:00:31.3
00:00:11.6
4 6
NZL

4
Paddon Hayden / Marshall S.
Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC 
RC1
4
02:21:31.0
02:21:31.0 00:00:39.9
00:00:08.6
5 12
NOR

5
Østberg Mads / Eriksen T.
Citroën C3 WRC 
RC1
5
02:21:47.1
02:21:47.1 00:00:56.0
00:00:16.1
6 9
FIN

6
Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne
Toyota Yaris WRC 
RC1
6
02:21:56.4
02:21:56.4 00:01:05.3
00:00:09.3
7 7
FIN

7
Latvala J. / Anttila Miikka
Toyota Yaris WRC 
RC1
7
02:22:50.8
02:22:50.8 00:01:59.7
00:00:54.4
8 3
FIN

8
Suninen Teemu / Markkula Mikko
Ford Fiesta WRC 
RC1
8
02:23:09.1
02:23:09.1 00:02:18.0
00:00:18.3
9 8
EST

9
Tänak Ott / Järveoja M.
Toyota Yaris WRC 
RC1
9
02:24:31.4
02:24:31.4 00:03:40.3
00:01:22.3
10 1
FRA

10
Ogier S. / Ingrassia J.
Ford Fiesta WRC 
RC1
10
02:25:13.2
02:25:13.2 00:04:22.1
00:00:41.8
11 2
GBR

11
Evans Elfyn / Barritt Daniel
Ford Fiesta WRC 
RC1
11
02:25:41.2
02:25:41.2 00:04:50.1
00:00:28.0
12 35
JPN

12
Katsuta T. / Salminen Marko
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
1
02:28:27.8
02:28:27.8 00:07:36.7
00:02:46.6
13 31
SWE

13
Tidemand Pontus / Andersson Jonas
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
2
02:28:41.4
02:28:41.4 00:07:50.3
00:00:13.6
14 32
NOR

14
Veiby O. / Skjærmoen S.
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
3
02:28:52.6
02:28:52.6 00:08:01.5
00:00:11.2
15 42
SWE

15
Adielsson M. / Johansson A.
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
4
02:30:03.7
02:30:03.7 00:09:12.6
00:01:11.1
16 43
FIN

16
Tuohino Janne / Hämäläinen R.
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
5
02:30:25.2
02:30:25.2 00:09:34.1
00:00:21.5
17 14
NOR

17
Solberg Henning / Menkerud Cato
Ford Fiesta WRC 
RC1
12
02:30:06.7
00:00:20.0
02:30:26.7 00:09:35.6
00:00:01.5
18 102
SWE

18
Kristoffersson J. / Barth Patrik
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
6
02:33:09.1
02:33:09.1 00:12:18.0
00:02:42.4
19 34
FIN

19
Huttunen Jari / Linnaketo Antti
Hyundai i20 R5 
RC2
7
02:33:35.0
02:33:35.0 00:12:43.9
00:00:25.9
20 36
JPN

20
Arai Hiroki / MacNeall Glenn
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
8
02:35:39.7
02:35:39.7 00:14:48.6
00:02:04.7
21 82
SWE

21
Monelius M. / Gustavsson Erik
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
9
02:35:50.5
02:35:50.5 00:14:59.4
00:00:10.8
22 63
SWE

23
Rådström D. / Johansson Johan
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
1
02:40:28.1
02:40:28.1 00:19:37.0
00:04:37.6
23 61
SWE

24
Bergkvist Emil / Fløene Ola
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
2
02:40:41.9
02:40:41.9 00:19:50.8
00:00:13.8
24 83
ESP

25
Solans Nil / Ibañez Miquel
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
10
02:41:10.5
02:41:10.5 00:20:19.4
00:00:28.6
25 86
SWE

26
Andersson J. / Johansson M.
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
11
02:41:16.2
02:41:16.2 00:20:25.1
00:00:05.7
26 88
NOR

27
Selmer C. / Selmer Anita
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
12
02:42:49.3
00:00:10.0
02:42:59.3 00:22:08.2
00:01:43.1
27 10
GBR

22
Meeke Kris / Nagle Paul
Citroën C3 WRC 
RC1
13
02:43:14.7
02:43:14.7 00:22:23.6
00:00:15.4
28 84
SWE

28
Sandberg Kjell / Lönnmark G.
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
13
02:43:42.6
02:43:42.6 00:22:51.5
00:00:27.9
29 66
DEU

29
Tannert Julius / Heigl Jürgen
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
3
02:44:18.8
02:44:18.8 00:23:27.7
00:00:36.2
30 99
SWE

30
Karlsson Anders / Nilsson Björn
Mitsubishi Mirage 

02:44:27.4
02:44:27.4 00:23:36.3
00:00:08.6
31 62
FRA

31
Folb Terry / Guieu C.
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
4
02:44:35.1
02:44:35.1 00:23:44.0
00:00:07.7
32 69
FRA

32
Franceschi J. / Courbon Romain
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
5
02:44:49.8
02:44:49.8 00:23:58.7
00:00:14.7
33 44
SWE

33
Stugemo Lars / Lexe Karl-Olof
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
14
02:45:08.9
02:45:08.9 00:24:17.8
00:00:19.1
34 67
IRL

34
Devine Callum / Moriarty Keith
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
6
02:46:01.2
02:46:01.2 00:25:10.1
00:00:52.3
35 75
UKR

35
Protasov Yuriy / Cherepin Pavlo
Citroën DS3 R3T 
RC3
1
02:46:20.5
02:46:20.5 00:25:29.4
00:00:19.3
36 89
ITA

36
Hoelbling Luca / Grassi Mauro
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
15
02:47:34.2
02:47:34.2 00:26:43.1
00:01:13.7
37 90
ITA

37
Molinaro Tamara / Wydaeghe M.
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
16
02:48:54.5
02:48:54.5 00:28:03.4
00:01:20.3
38 92
SWE

38
Roman Joakim / Buskas Madelene
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
17
02:50:00.7
02:50:00.7 00:29:09.6
00:01:06.2
39 76
FIN

39
Lario Taisko / Hämäläinen T.
Peugeot 208 R2 
RC4
7
02:50:45.6
02:50:45.6 00:29:54.5
00:00:44.9
40 94
LTU

41
Jocius Deividas / Zvicevičius D.
Peugeot 208 R2 
RC4
8
02:52:05.7
02:52:05.7 00:31:14.6
00:01:20.1
41 87
SWE

42
Alsdal Fredrik / Nilsson Emil
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
18
02:53:00.6
02:53:00.6 00:32:09.5
00:00:54.9
42 33
POL

43
Pieniążek Ł. / Mazur P.
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
19
02:53:21.5
02:53:21.5 00:32:30.4
00:00:20.9
43 70
ITA

44
Bottarelli Luca / Fenoli Manuel
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
9
02:54:05.1
02:54:05.1 00:33:14.0
00:00:43.6
44 73
CHL

45
Fernàndez E. / Riquelme J.
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
10
02:54:15.7
02:54:15.7 00:33:24.6
00:00:10.6
45 68
NZL

46
Holder David / Farmer Jason
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
11
02:56:40.2
02:56:40.2 00:35:49.1
00:02:24.5
46 45
FIN

47
Berg Jarmo / Suorsa Rami
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
20
03:00:40.5
00:01:20.0
03:02:00.5 00:41:09.4
00:05:20.3
47 85
SWE

48
Holmberg Johan / Bäck C.
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
21
03:11:06.9
03:11:06.9 00:50:15.8
00:09:06.4
48 93
SWE

49
Brådhe J. / Wernefur Filip
Peugeot 208 R2 
RC4
12
03:11:14.1
00:00:50.0
03:12:04.1 00:51:13.0
00:00:57.2
49 81
FIN

51
Nikara Jarkko / Adachi Sayaka
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
22
03:15:05.7
03:15:05.7 00:54:14.6
00:03:01.6
50 100
SWE

53
Larsson Sune / Oddshammar H.
Mitsubishi Mirage 

03:19:38.6
00:00:10.0
03:19:48.6 00:58:57.5
00:04:42.9
51 95
POL

54
Wieromiejczyk M. / Wróbel Jakub
Peugeot 208 R2 
RC4
13
03:19:26.1
00:01:10.0
03:20:36.1 00:59:45.0
00:00:47.5
52 38
ITA

50
Scandola U. / Gaspari Andrea
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
23
03:18:35.8
00:02:50.0
03:21:25.8 01:00:34.7
00:00:49.7
53 21
SAU

52
Al Rajhi Yazeed / Orr Michael
Ford Fiesta RS WRC 
RC1
14
03:24:21.5
03:24:21.5 01:03:30.4
00:02:55.7
54 46
ITA

56
Linari Gianluca / Arena Nicola
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
24
03:25:37.0
03:25:37.0 01:04:45.9
00:01:15.5
55 72
GBR

57
Williams Tom / Hall Philip
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
14
03:24:50.9
00:01:10.0
03:26:00.9 01:05:09.8
00:00:23.9
56 65
EST

55
Torn Ken / Sikk Kuldar
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
15
03:29:25.8
03:29:25.8 01:08:34.7
00:03:24.9
57 71
FRA

58
Chalal Theo / Renucci J.
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
16
03:29:45.6
00:01:40.0
03:31:25.6 01:10:34.5
00:01:59.8
58 96
SWE

59
Ryrlèn Heidi / Bengtsson M.
Ford Fiesta R2T 
RC4
17
03:31:03.1
00:02:50.0
03:33:53.1 01:13:02.0
00:02:27.5
59 98
SWE

61
Carlström J. / Norman Jörgen
Mitsubishi Mirage 

03:42:34.8
03:42:34.8 01:21:43.7
00:08:41.7
60 97
SWE

62
Blomberg Robert / Andersson Lars
Mitsubishi Mirage 

03:43:41.3
03:43:41.3 01:22:50.2
00:01:06.5
61 101
ITA

60
Frisiero G. / Agnese Giovanni
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX 

03:43:45.6
00:00:20.0
03:44:05.6 01:23:14.5
00:00:24.3
INFORMATION ABOUT SS 15
flash info (31 - Tidemand Pontus / Andersson Jonas): A good stage but to try and catch the guys on the Pirelli tyres here is not easy - I do my best.
flash info (35 - Katsuta Takamoto / Salminen Marko): Now we are leading but tomorrow we have long stages and the rally is not over yet. A great day today, no issues. We need to continue like this.
flash info (4 - Mikkelsen Andreas / Jæger Anders): Maybe too much time to catch but for sure it's possible. Let's take another look after the next stage.
flash info (5 - Neuville Thierry / Gilsoul Nicolas): We have quite a good lead now. A bit steady in here, I remember what happened here last year and it wasn't going to happen again.
flash info (11 - Breen Craig / Martin Scott): We still have one more stage to go today, but for now I think we made the right choice with just one spare tyre. Today has been really nice and enjoyable. It would be nice for this to become normal.
flash info (6 - Paddon Hayden / Marshall Sebastian): We were hoping for a bit more today, but this is all we can do for the moment.
flash info (3 - Suninen Teemu / Markkula Mikko): It was not my favourite one. Not the best confidence. We need to improve tomorrow.
flash info (12 - Østberg Mads / Eriksen Torstein): Not so bad. This stage is mainly about not wasting time. A decent run, quite enjoyable.
flash info (9 - Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne): It's been a quite good day. Quite a stable performance.
flash info (7 - Latvala Jari-Matti / Anttila Miikka): The car is okay when the line is wider but in the ruts the car is horrible. We will change the differential tonight, we have to do it.
flash info (2 - Evans Elfyn / Barritt Daniel): The surface is really slushy - no problem.
flash info (8 - Tänak Ott / Järveoja Martin): Very different from Thursday, big ruts and slippery. Just a small stage.
flash info (1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): Our tyres were ok, but there has been snow in here since Thursday, so a bit more loose. We are used to it now.