Rally Liepaja 2021

Rally Liepaja 2021


01. 07. 2021 - 03. 07. 2021

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BI 2 - Talsi lookout
Duljina BI: 25.94km
Poz. Broj Vozač / Suvozač
Automobil
Grupa Vrijeme BI Prosječna brzina
sek/km
Razlika za vodečim
Razlika za prijašnjim
1 11
LVA
Gryazin Nikolay / Aleksandrov K.
Volkswagen Polo Gti R5
RC2 00:13:20.2 116.70
0.00
00:00:00.0
00:00:00.0
2 10
IRL
Breen Craig / Nagle Paul
Hyundai i20 R5
RC2 00:13:21.7 116.48
0.06
00:00:01.5
00:00:01.5
3 1
RUS
Lukyanuk Alexey / Eremeev Dmitry
Citroën C3 Rally2
RC2 00:13:22.8 116.32
0.10
00:00:02.6
00:00:01.1
4 6
ESP
Llarena Efrén / Fernandez Sara
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:23.1 116.28
0.11
00:00:02.9
00:00:00.3
5 2
NOR
Mikkelsen A. / Fløene Ola
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:24.7 116.05
0.17
00:00:04.5
00:00:01.6
6 18
DEU
Kreim Fabian / Christian Frank
Volkswagen Polo Gti R5
RC2 00:13:31.1 115.13
0.42
00:00:10.9
00:00:06.4
7 3
POL
Marczyk Miko / Gospodarczyk S.
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:31.7 115.05
0.44
00:00:11.5
00:00:00.6
8 16
NOR
Veiby O. / Andersson Jonas
Hyundai i20 R5
RC2 00:13:35.0 114.58
0.57
00:00:14.8
00:00:03.3
9 4
ESP
Solans Nil / Martí Marc
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:37.6 114.22
0.67
00:00:17.4
00:00:02.6
10 15
LUX
Munster G. / Louka Louis
Hyundai i20 R5
RC2 00:13:38.8 114.05
0.72
00:00:18.6
00:00:01.2
11 14
IRL
Devine Callum / Fulton James
Ford Fiesta R5 MkII
RC2 00:13:42.2 113.58
0.85
00:00:22.0
00:00:03.4
12 19
EST
Linnamäe Georg / Korsia V.
Volkswagen Polo Gti R5
RC2 00:13:46.1 113.04
1.00
00:00:25.9
00:00:03.9
13 17
FIN
Pietarinen E. / Linnaketo Antti
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:13:50.5 112.44
1.17
00:00:30.3
00:00:04.4
14 21
ROU
Tempestini S. / Itu Sergiu
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:50.6 112.43
1.17
00:00:30.4
00:00:00.1
15 8
CZE
Cais Erik / Žáková J.
Ford Fiesta R5 MkII
RC2 00:13:52.3 112.20
1.24
00:00:32.1
00:00:01.7
16 22
EST
Jeets Raul / Taniel Timo
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:53.3 112.07
1.28
00:00:33.1
00:00:01.0
17 12
ITA
Scandola U. / D'Amore Guido
Hyundai i20 R5
RC2 00:13:56.0 111.70
1.38
00:00:35.8
00:00:02.7
18 29
ITA
Battistolli A. / Scattolin S.
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:56.7 111.61
1.41
00:00:36.5
00:00:00.7
19 9
CHL
Fernàndez E. / García Rubén
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:56.8 111.60
1.41
00:00:36.6
00:00:00.1
20 5
HUN
Herczig Norbert / Ferencz Ramón
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:13:57.1 111.56
1.42
00:00:36.9
00:00:00.3
21 7
FRA
Bonato Yoann / Boulloud B.
Citroën C3 Rally2
RC2 00:14:00.4 111.12
1.55
00:00:40.2
00:00:03.3
22 23
IRL
McCourt Cathan / Hoy Brian
Ford Fiesta R5 MkII
RC2 00:14:05.6 110.44
1.75
00:00:45.4
00:00:05.2
23 32
EST
Torn Ken / Pannas Kauri
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:14:11.9 109.62
1.99
00:00:51.7
00:00:06.3
24 24
POL
Kołtun J. / Pleskot I.
Ford Fiesta R5 MkII
RC2 00:14:18.8 108.74
2.26
00:00:58.6
00:00:06.9
25 33
NOR
Solberg Oscar / Furniss Dale
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:14:28.6 107.51
2.64
00:01:08.4
00:00:09.8
26 27
IRL
Mitchell Jason / Ward Peter
Ford Fiesta R5
RC2 00:14:32.4 107.04
2.78
00:01:12.2
00:00:03.8
27 49
FRA
Franceschi J. / Gorguilo A.
Renault Clio Rally4
RC4 00:14:34.7 106.76
2.87
00:01:14.5
00:00:02.3
28 30
SWE
Stugemo Lars / Lexe Karl-Olof
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:14:35.1 106.71
2.89
00:01:14.9
00:00:00.4
- 41
FIN
Pajari Sami / Salminen Marko
Ford Fiesta Rally4
RC4 00:14:35.1 106.71
2.89
00:01:14.9
00:00:00.0
30 25
RUS
Shaymiev Radik / Tsvetkov Maxim
Hyundai i20 R5
RC2 00:14:36.7 106.52
2.95
00:01:16.5
00:00:01.6
31
/
RC2 00:14:39.4 106.19
3.05
00:01:19.2
00:00:02.7
32 31
PRT
Monteiro A. / Eiró Sancho
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:14:39.6 106.17
3.06
00:01:19.4
00:00:00.2
33 51
NOR
Nore Ola jun. / Eriksen Jørgen
Renault Clio Rally4
RC4 00:14:41.0 106.00
3.11
00:01:20.8
00:00:01.4
34 48
LVA
Sesks M. / Francis Renārs
Ford Fiesta Rally4
RC4 00:14:42.0 105.88
3.15
00:01:21.8
00:00:01.0
35 36
HUN
Érdi T. / Csökő Zoltán
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X
RC2 00:14:42.8 105.78
3.18
00:01:22.6
00:00:00.8
36 26
ESP
Vilariño Luis / Murado José
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo
RC2 00:14:44.0 105.64
3.23
00:01:23.8
00:00:01.2
37 62
LTU
Sluckus Jonas / Šileikis G.
Škoda Fabia R5
RC2 00:15:04.6 103.23
4.02
00:01:44.4
00:00:20.6
38 44
DEU
Loof Nick / Magalhães Hugo
Ford Fiesta Rally4
RC4 00:15:09.2 102.71
4.20
00:01:49.0
00:00:04.6
39 46
EST
Kasari Kaspar / Raidma Rainis
Ford Fiesta Rally4
RC4 00:15:16.2 101.93
4.47
00:01:56.0
00:00:07.0
40 38
LVA
Igaveņš A. / Igaveņš Ralfs
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X
RC2 00:15:22.3 101.25
4.71
00:02:02.1
00:00:06.1
41 20
HUN
László Z. / Kovács A.
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:15:31.8 100.22
5.07
00:02:11.6
00:00:09.5
42 28
POL
Widłak Igor / Dymurski Daniel
Ford Fiesta Rally3
RC3 00:15:32.7 100.12
5.11
00:02:12.5
00:00:00.9
43 45
POL
Lewandowski Ł. / Sadowski Adrian
Opel Corsa Rally4
RC4 00:15:36.5 99.72
5.25
00:02:16.3
00:00:03.8
44 60
TUR
Timur Y. / Aslan Onur
Renault Clio Rally5
RC5 00:15:40.8 99.26
5.42
00:02:20.6
00:00:04.3
45 47
CZE
Polášek D. / Janovská K.
Ford Fiesta Rally4
RC4 00:15:42.6 99.07
5.49
00:02:22.4
00:00:01.8
46 57
FRA
Rossi Ghjuvanni / Volpei Baptiste
Renault Clio Rally5
RC5 00:15:49.9 98.31
5.77
00:02:29.7
00:00:07.3
47 59
ITA
Mabellini A. / Lenzi Virginia
Renault Clio Rally5
RC5 00:15:57.0 97.58
6.04
00:02:36.8
00:00:07.1
48 37
POL
Pryczek Michał / Pryczek Jacek
Subaru Impreza STI
RC2 00:15:58.1 97.47
6.09
00:02:37.9
00:00:01.1
49 58
FRA
Bergounhe B. / Descharne M.
Renault Clio Rally5
RC5 00:15:59.6 97.32
6.14
00:02:39.4
00:00:01.5
50 53
EST
Nõgene J. / Koskinen Simo
Ford Fiesta Rally4
RC4 00:16:06.5 96.62
6.41
00:02:46.3
00:00:06.9
51 55
BEL
Molle Amaury / Barral Florian
Ford Fiesta Rally4
RC4 00:16:14.8 95.80
6.73
00:02:54.6
00:00:08.3
52 40
POL
Poloński D. / Sitek Łukasz
Fiat 124 Abarth RGT
RGT 00:17:30.6 88.89
9.65
00:04:10.4
00:01:15.8
53 39
CZE
Rada Martin / Jugas Jaroslav
Fiat 124 Abarth RGT
RGT 00:17:33.5 88.64
9.76
00:04:13.3
00:00:02.9
54 42
ESP
Bassas Josep / Coronado Axel
Peugeot 208 Rally4
RC4 00:17:42.5 87.89
10.11
00:04:22.3
00:00:09.0
55 43
ROU
Maior Norbert / Maior Francesca
Peugeot 208 Rally4
RC4 00:24:34.7 63.32
26.00
00:11:14.5
00:06:52.2
- 50
AUT
Landa Nikolai / Landa Günter
Ford Fiesta Rally4
RC4 00:24:34.7 63.32
26.00
00:11:14.5
00:00:00.0
- 52
HUN
László Martin / Berendi Dávid
Peugeot 208 Rally4
RC4 00:24:34.7 63.32
26.00
00:11:14.5
00:00:00.0
58 56
ARG
Soria Paulo / Der Ohannesian M.
Renault Clio Rally5
RC5 00:25:40.8 60.61
28.55
00:12:20.6
00:01:06.1
Poz. Broj
Vozač / Suvozač
Automobil
Poz. Vrijeme BI
Kazna
Ukupno vrijeme Razlika za vodečim
Razlika za prijašnjim
1 11
LVA

1
Gryazin Nikolay / Aleksandrov K.
Volkswagen Polo Gti R5 
RC2
1
00:27:41.0
00:27:41.0 00:00:00.0
00:00:00.0
2 6
ESP

3
Llarena Efrén / Fernandez Sara
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
2
00:27:45.9
00:27:45.9 00:00:04.9
00:00:04.9
3 10
IRL

4
Breen Craig / Nagle Paul
Hyundai i20 R5 
RC2
3
00:27:47.3
00:27:47.3 00:00:06.3
00:00:01.4
4 1
RUS

6
Lukyanuk Alexey / Eremeev Dmitry
Citroën C3 Rally2 
RC2
4
00:27:54.4
00:27:54.4 00:00:13.4
00:00:07.1
5 3
POL

5
Marczyk Miko / Gospodarczyk S.
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
5
00:28:00.5
00:28:00.5 00:00:19.5
00:00:06.1
6 18
DEU

7
Kreim Fabian / Christian Frank
Volkswagen Polo Gti R5 
RC2
6
00:28:05.4
00:28:05.4 00:00:24.4
00:00:04.9
7 16
NOR

8
Veiby O. / Andersson Jonas
Hyundai i20 R5 
RC2
7
00:28:09.7
00:28:09.7 00:00:28.7
00:00:04.3
8 4
ESP

9
Solans Nil / Martí Marc
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
8
00:28:15.2
00:28:15.2 00:00:34.2
00:00:05.5
9 14
IRL

10
Devine Callum / Fulton James
Ford Fiesta R5 MkII 
RC2
9
00:28:21.5
00:28:21.5 00:00:40.5
00:00:06.3
10 19
EST

12
Linnamäe Georg / Korsia V.
Volkswagen Polo Gti R5 
RC2
10
00:28:28.0
00:28:28.0 00:00:47.0
00:00:06.5
11 9
CHL

11
Fernàndez E. / García Rubén
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
11
00:28:37.3
00:28:37.3 00:00:56.3
00:00:09.3
12 17
FIN

14
Pietarinen E. / Linnaketo Antti
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
12
00:28:44.1
00:28:44.1 00:01:03.1
00:00:06.8
13 22
EST

13
Jeets Raul / Taniel Timo
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
13
00:28:45.6
00:28:45.6 00:01:04.6
00:00:01.5
14 21
ROU

15
Tempestini S. / Itu Sergiu
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
14
00:28:45.9
00:28:45.9 00:01:04.9
00:00:00.3
15 2
NOR

2
Mikkelsen A. / Fløene Ola
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
15
00:27:47.4
00:01:00.0
00:28:47.4 00:01:06.4
00:00:01.5
16 8
CZE

16
Cais Erik / Žáková J.
Ford Fiesta R5 MkII 
RC2
16
00:28:47.7
00:28:47.7 00:01:06.7
00:00:00.3
17 12
ITA

17
Scandola U. / D'Amore Guido
Hyundai i20 R5 
RC2
17
00:28:59.3
00:28:59.3 00:01:18.3
00:00:11.6
18 29
ITA

18
Battistolli A. / Scattolin S.
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
18
00:29:00.3
00:29:00.3 00:01:19.3
00:00:01.0
19 5
HUN

19
Herczig Norbert / Ferencz Ramón
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
19
00:29:02.0
00:29:02.0 00:01:21.0
00:00:01.7
20 7
FRA

22
Bonato Yoann / Boulloud B.
Citroën C3 Rally2 
RC2
20
00:29:14.1
00:29:14.1 00:01:33.1
00:00:12.1
21 23
IRL

20
McCourt Cathan / Hoy Brian
Ford Fiesta R5 MkII 
RC2
21
00:29:12.0
00:00:10.0
00:29:22.0 00:01:41.0
00:00:07.9
22 24
POL

23
Kołtun J. / Pleskot I.
Ford Fiesta R5 MkII 
RC2
22
00:29:35.1
00:29:35.1 00:01:54.1
00:00:13.1
23 32
EST

25
Torn Ken / Pannas Kauri
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
1
00:29:38.3
00:29:38.3 00:01:57.3
00:00:03.2
24 25
RUS

24
Shaymiev Radik / Tsvetkov Maxim
Hyundai i20 R5 
RC2
23
00:30:00.9
00:30:00.9 00:02:19.9
00:00:22.6
25 30
SWE

26
Stugemo Lars / Lexe Karl-Olof
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
24
00:30:05.4
00:30:05.4 00:02:24.4
00:00:04.5
26 33
NOR

30
Solberg Oscar / Furniss Dale
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
2
00:30:13.6
00:30:13.6 00:02:32.6
00:00:08.2
27 27
IRL

29
Mitchell Jason / Ward Peter
Ford Fiesta R5 
RC2
25
00:30:14.3
00:30:14.3 00:02:33.3
00:00:00.7
28 36
HUN

27
Érdi T. / Csökő Zoltán
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X 
RC2
26
00:30:15.9
00:30:15.9 00:02:34.9
00:00:01.6
29

28
/
 
RC2
27
00:30:21.1
00:30:21.1 00:02:40.1
00:00:05.2
30 49
FRA

31
Franceschi J. / Gorguilo A.
Renault Clio Rally4 
RC4
1
00:30:24.7
00:30:24.7 00:02:43.7
00:00:03.6
31 41
FIN

33
Pajari Sami / Salminen Marko
Ford Fiesta Rally4 
RC4
2
00:30:28.7
00:30:28.7 00:02:47.7
00:00:04.0
32 15
LUX

50
Munster G. / Louka Louis
Hyundai i20 R5 
RC2
28
00:30:33.4
00:30:33.4 00:02:52.4
00:00:04.7
33 31
PRT

37
Monteiro A. / Eiró Sancho
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
29
00:30:40.5
00:30:40.5 00:02:59.5
00:00:07.1
34 26
ESP

34
Vilariño Luis / Murado José
Škoda Fabia Rally2 Evo 
RC2
30
00:30:43.5
00:30:43.5 00:03:02.5
00:00:03.0
35 51
NOR

39
Nore Ola jun. / Eriksen Jørgen
Renault Clio Rally4 
RC4
3
00:30:44.2
00:30:44.2 00:03:03.2
00:00:00.7
36 48
LVA

38
Sesks M. / Francis Renārs
Ford Fiesta Rally4 
RC4
4
00:30:44.9
00:30:44.9 00:03:03.9
00:00:00.7
37 62
LTU

35
Sluckus Jonas / Šileikis G.
Škoda Fabia R5 
RC2
31
00:31:04.6
00:31:04.6 00:03:23.6
00:00:19.7
38 44
DEU

44
Loof Nick / Magalhães Hugo
Ford Fiesta Rally4 
RC4
5
00:31:35.2
00:31:35.2 00:03:54.2
00:00:30.6
39 46
EST

43
Kasari Kaspar / Raidma Rainis
Ford Fiesta Rally4 
RC4
6
00:31:40.5
00:31:40.5 00:03:59.5
00:00:05.3
40 38
LVA

45
Igaveņš A. / Igaveņš Ralfs
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X 
RC2
32
00:31:50.3
00:31:50.3 00:04:09.3
00:00:09.8
41 37
POL

40
Pryczek Michał / Pryczek Jacek
Subaru Impreza STI 
RC2
33
00:32:03.4
00:32:03.4 00:04:22.4
00:00:13.1
42 28
POL

47
Widłak Igor / Dymurski Daniel
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
3
00:32:13.1
00:32:13.1 00:04:32.1
00:00:09.7
43 20
HUN

49
László Z. / Kovács A.
Ford Fiesta Rally3 
RC3
4
00:32:18.2
00:32:18.2 00:04:37.2
00:00:05.1
44 47
CZE

46
Polášek D. / Janovská K.
Ford Fiesta Rally4 
RC4
7
00:32:22.8
00:32:22.8 00:04:41.8
00:00:04.6
45 60
TUR

48
Timur Y. / Aslan Onur
Renault Clio Rally5 
RC5
1
00:32:23.8
00:32:23.8 00:04:42.8
00:00:01.0
46 57
FRA

53
Rossi Ghjuvanni / Volpei Baptiste
Renault Clio Rally5 
RC5
2
00:32:57.3
00:32:57.3 00:05:16.3
00:00:33.5
47 59
ITA

52
Mabellini A. / Lenzi Virginia
Renault Clio Rally5 
RC5
3
00:33:03.6
00:33:03.6 00:05:22.6
00:00:06.3
48 58
FRA

54
Bergounhe B. / Descharne M.
Renault Clio Rally5 
RC5
4
00:33:07.2
00:33:07.2 00:05:26.2
00:00:03.6
49 55
BEL

51
Molle Amaury / Barral Florian
Ford Fiesta Rally4 
RC4
8
00:33:18.1
00:33:18.1 00:05:37.1
00:00:10.9
50 53
EST

56
Nõgene J. / Koskinen Simo
Ford Fiesta Rally4 
RC4
9
00:33:33.8
00:33:33.8 00:05:52.8
00:00:15.7
51 42
ESP

36
Bassas Josep / Coronado Axel
Peugeot 208 Rally4 
RC4
10
00:33:42.5
00:33:42.5 00:06:01.5
00:00:08.7
52 40
POL

41
Poloński D. / Sitek Łukasz
Fiat 124 Abarth RGT 
RGT
1
00:33:43.3
00:33:43.3 00:06:02.3
00:00:00.8
53 45
POL

59
Lewandowski Ł. / Sadowski Adrian
Opel Corsa Rally4 
RC4
11
00:35:26.6
00:35:26.6 00:07:45.6
00:01:43.3
54 39
CZE

58
Rada Martin / Jugas Jaroslav
Fiat 124 Abarth RGT 
RGT
2
00:35:41.0
00:35:41.0 00:08:00.0
00:00:14.4
55 43
ROU

42
Maior Norbert / Maior Francesca
Peugeot 208 Rally4 
RC4
12
00:40:51.7
00:40:51.7 00:13:10.7
00:05:10.7
56 52
HUN

55
László Martin / Berendi Dávid
Peugeot 208 Rally4 
RC4
13
00:41:42.6
00:41:42.6 00:14:01.6
00:00:50.9
57 50
AUT

57
Landa Nikolai / Landa Günter
Ford Fiesta Rally4 
RC4
14
00:42:20.6
00:42:20.6 00:14:39.6
00:00:38.0
58 56
ARG

60
Soria Paulo / Der Ohannesian M.
Renault Clio Rally5 
RC5
5
00:52:23.8
00:52:23.8 00:24:42.8
00:10:03.2
INFORMACIJE O BI 2
flash info (12 - Scandola Umberto / D'Amore Guido): We went out of the road and stalled the engine.
flash info (5 - Herczig Norbert / Ferencz Ramón): Everything was OK, many places were clean, our speed was OK. We changed the car little bit and we are here, that's importnant.
retired (61 - Notkus Giedrius / Šimins Artūrs): accident in SS 2
retired (50 - Landa Nikolai / Landa Günter): accident in SS 2
retired (43 - Maior Norbert / Maior Francesca): broken suspension and driveshaft in SS 2
retired (35 - Cartier Victor / Craen Fabien): technical problem - engine in SS 2
flash info (3 - Marczyk Miko / Gospodarczyk Szymon): It's not bad, I was trying to my best. We are happy to be here, we have some good knowledge after this loop.
flash info (11 - Gryazin Nikolay / Aleksandrov Konstantin): I'm not enjoying, we try to manage to get the grip. I think we have no grip, no tryes. We will see in second loop.
flash info (18 - Kreim Fabian / Christian Frank): I hit the anticut, I hope all is OK with the car. The stage was good, I'm quite happy.
flash info (19 - Linnamäe Georg / Korsia Volodymyr): We were taking it easy, the tyres are already quite gone.
flash info (2 - Mikkelsen Andreas / Fløene Ola): We started one minute late because we didn't have the time on card. So I didn't have the right rhytm in this one.
flash info (1 - Lukyanuk Alexey / Eremeev Dmitry): Not bad, the grip is getting better with every car behind, we try to push.
flash info (16 - Veiby Ole Christian / Andersson Jonas): I'm struggling a lot with the pop-off valve.
flash info (21 - Tempestini Simone / Itu Sergiu): Everything OK, I'm just trying to understand the grip, for me it's impossible to keep clean in the lines.
flash info (22 - Jeets Raul / Taniel Timo): We missed some junction, on tarmac part we stopped the car and stalled the engine. But it's big rally, we keep going.
flash info (4 - Solans Nil / Martí Marc): It's full of gravel and we are losing all the time. It's shame we didn't do the qualifying better.
flash info (17 - Pietarinen Eerik / Linnaketo Antti): Very slippery.
flash info (8 - Cais Erik / Žáková Jindřiška): I thinkg the beginning was good but then maybe in pacenotes was some mistake and I lost the confidence. In the last part there was lot of gravel and it was really slippery, I'm happy to be here.
flash info (12 - Scandola Umberto / D'Amore Guido): It's OK, sometimes there is more gravel, but the speed was OK.
flash info (5 - Herczig Norbert / Ferencz Ramón): I think it was OK, of course little bit slippery, but everything is good, car is OK, tyres are OK.
flash info (7 - Bonato Yoann / Boulloud Benjamin): This one was harder than the first one, we had to clean the road and it was not easy, but it's a good experience.